Here we go again...
It appears that this issue is getting white hot again. I had hoped that Williamson and Maury counties would do something new for a change...like tell the truth. To be quite honest, I don't really enjoy fighting a battle that is this clear cut. It annoys me more and more each day to consider that our counties are going to continue spend our cash (with SIX zeroes behind it) to fight against their own citizens.
Read the articles listed below, then let's talk about "truths" and "facts".
Enjoy!
Columbia Daily Herald hospital article
PR battle over hospital heats up
By SKYLER SWISHER/Staff Writer
A group that supports building a $104-million HCA hospital in Spring Hill plans to undertake an extensive letter-writing and advertising campaign in an effort to force competing hospital officials to drop their opposition, according to an e-mail circulated to members.
But a Williamson Medical Center spokeswoman said the group is little more than a front for the nation’s largest for-profit hospital chain, HCA Inc.
The Citizens for Spring Hill Hospital meet last week to discuss ways to pressure Williamson Medical Center and Maury Regional Hospital into dropping their opposition to a $104-million competing hospital planned by HCA Inc. (Staff photo by Melissa Webb)
“The Citizens for Spring Hill Hospital was created by, has been led by and continues to be guided by HCA,” said Laura Bustetter, director of marketing and public relations for Williamson Medical Center.
The e-mail, which was written by Spring Hill hospital supporter Cindy Jobe, advises members to send letters to the editor, call Maury and Williamson county commissioners and begin formulating a newspaper ad campaign.
“Let’s get it stirred up so much over December that these (county) commissions are forced to address this issue at their January ... meetings,” wrote Jobe, one of the initial organizers of Citizens for Spring Hill Hospital and the wife of a physician employed by HCA.
In July, the Tennessee Health Services and Development Agency voted 7-1 to approve HCA Inc.’s TriStar proposal to build a new hospital in Spring Hill. The decision was appealed by Williamson Medical Center and Maury Regional, both county-owned hospitals, and a hearing before an administrative law judge is scheduled to begin April 11.
The Maury County Commission and several neighboring legislative bodies have passed resolutions in support of Maury Regional.
Bustetter said it is her understanding that HCA and its public relations firms have ghostwritten letters to the editor and hired a blogger to drum up support for the hospital.
“When they are trying to project that we have a groundswell of citizens involved, quite a bit of that is driven by HCA,” she said.
Members of the organization denied Bustetter’s accusations, saying they received absolutely no support, clerical or otherwise, from HCA.
“People are passionate about this issue, and we are not short of volunteers,” Jobe said. “We have got a whole community behind us. We don’t need a corporation driving us.”
Rita Williams, a spokeswoman for Maury Regional Hospital, said she had no knowledge of letters to the editor written by PR specialists or a blogger being hired by HCA.
“My understanding is that there is definitely a strong connection,” she said about HCA’s relationship with Citizens for Spring Hill Hospital.
The e-mail states five individuals agreed to send letters to the editor that were provided at the group’s Nov. 21 meeting, two of which were published in The Daily Herald and were not attributed to the organization or HCA.
Ron DeFrancisco, who moved to Spring Hill from South Florida in February, said he was provided with suggestions and a sample letter, but the actual contents of the letter were his own.
The other letter’s author, Flo Grabowski, could not be reached for comment.
Jobe said she wrote a sample letter and distributed it to members at a Nov. 21 meeting. She also said she stressed key points the group needed to make to the public.
“I am not a public relations specialist,” she said. “I am a stay-at-home mom. It’s a compliment if she thinks it’s well written.”
A news release from the city of Spring Hill says Jobe “currently works as an independent consultant and serves on the Spring Hill Chamber board.”
Bustetter said the group has been peddling misinformation by saying taxpayers are funding the appeal and that legal expenses could total millions.
“I very much understand and believe in the American way of being involved and expressing your views,” she said. “What I am concerned about with this is the fact that they are leading people to perceive that HCA is not involved. They are very much involved.”
HCA also denied a request by Maury Regional and Williamson Medical Center to enter into binding arbitration, prolonging the appeals process, Bustetter and Williams said.
Reid Brogden, general counsel for the Tennessee Health Services and Development Agency, said he was not aware of a request for binding arbitration.
An HCA spokeswoman could not be reached for comment Thursday.
Williamson Herald Letters to the Editor
Let's cut right to the chase and attempt to get some "truthful" answers...so, Ms. Bustetter:
1.) Is Williamson Medical Center a non-profit COUNTY entity?
2.) Is Maury Regional Hospital a non-profit COUNTY entity?
3.) How much did the initial CON process cost Williamson Medical and Maury regional? Please include marketing, advertising, public relations, consultant fees (i.e. lobbyist Jerry Sharber), legal fees, etc in your calculations?
4.) How much is this hospital appeal costing Williamson Medical Center, Maury Regional, and HCA?
5.) Is it true that the loser of the appeal pays the entire cost of the appeal, including those costs accrued by HCA during this process?
6.) Is it also true that this Certificate of Need was decided by a 7-1 vote?
7.) How many CON's have been overturned in the past? Of those...how many were 7-1 decisions?
Now, since I am the one asking all of the questions, let's answer a few that have been asked by Ms. Bustetter.
1.) Has this Citizens for Spring Hill group been run and funded by HCA?
*answer* Absolutely not! Look at the players for yourself. A stay at home mom, a school teacher, city officials including a few aldermen and the mayor, a professional blogger (I think that is me, although there is nothing professional about this site), and thousands of community members. Is it so hard to believe that almost 11,000 signatures are possible in a community of over 25,000? Ms. Bustetter, it is called hard work, not corporate sponsorship!
2.) Let's talk about this "PAID professional blogger"... I can assure you that this website is absolutely free (provided by blogger.com). This website was started to get the community involved in city politics long before this hospital discussion, and it has worked extremely well. And I can attest to the fact that I have not received a penny to do anything on this website (unlike the WMC employee who received a flagrant PASS to operate his own site during the CON process, on which he spewed WMC's twisted and disgraceful propaganda). I write all this stuff for two reasons:
a) to give the citizens an understanding of what is going on in their city and how they can become involved
b) to stir the pot, and point out things that city leaders say that have value, and also those things that make very little sense.
Sadly, for WMC and MRH, these two things both came to a head, because there was more trash being spewed by both of our county governments to fill this message board for years to come. Sorry again Ms. Bustetter, there are some people willing to fight even though they are not being paid to do so!
3.) Let's discuss this "use of taxpayer funds" that seems to be of some question. A not-for-profit hospital, controlled by the county, hopefully produces a profit at the end of the year so that the county (aka TAXPAYERS, aka CITIZENS, aka YOU AND ME) do not have to prop up that hospital. So since we are talking about two different counties, let's break those out for a second.
* Williamson Medical Center: Although it is true that WMC operates under its own budget and funds, it was WMC and their well paid 'henchmen' that were going to all of the communities in the area and saying that it was each municipality's 'fiduciary responsibility' to oppose Spring Hill Hospital because THE DEBT SERVICE OF WMC IS HELD SOLELY BY WILLIAMSON COUNTY CITIZENS. Lets not kid ourselves here, the only difference between a for-profit hospital and a not-for-profit hospital is their balance sheet. WMC is using its own operational expenses to fight this appeal, from which could come new services and facility expansion. Instead, these funds are being used to appeal a 7-1 decision. Case in point...I wish I had a camera when I visited a friend and his wife who recently had a baby at WMC - Can you really call a storage closet and a converted patient room a state of the art nursery and NICU as your print and radio ads say that you now have? I am sure that this is just one example of 'services' that are being compromised or cut because you insist on spending money on this worthless appeal. Question to Mr. Miller and Ms. Bustetter: Who's paying the yearly cost of YOUR debt service? Answer: The taxpayers of Williamson County!
* Maury Regional Hospital: The big threat all along made by MRH was they did not have the funds to deal with a competitor in the area, and there was a good chance that the hospital would have to ask the taxpayers to help keep it afloat. This would lead to fewer services provided to the citizens and higher medical costs for the region. It is also a fact that MRH receives operating expenses each year directly from Maury County Citizens, so Maury County Citizens are most certainly paying directly for this appeals process.
The last thing that I'll add... Did the folks at WMC ever consider that by coming out so PUBLICLY against the Citizens for Spring Hill Hospital at this time that they have actually put themselves into a TRAP? Trust me, it is no secret that WMC and MRH would want this appeals process to continue under the radar. Now it seems that will no longer be possible as they have come out publicly in a very arrogant way (nothing says 'I know what's better for you than you do', more then an attempt to appeal a 7-1 decision) to attack the resolve of the Spring Hill community. But I guess that is par for an organization accustomed to bullying tactics and organized campaigns.
Monday, December 04, 2006
Hospital debate...again!
Posted by Gorilla in the Corner at 8:08 AM
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19 comments:
When are they going to learn?
Is williamson really going to speak out of both sides of their mouth like this? Williamson county citizens are pretty intelligent people, surely they don't think people are buying that load of crap.
First I am no hospital administrator so I do not claim to know all of the merits of the arguments. Second I do believe that a hospital will probably be needed in the future. Before all of the flack starts I am not opposed to the hospital! If we are talking truth then Mr DeFrancisco's letter while good intentioned was misleading. While it is true every second counts the correct destination also counts. The truth is that the Spring Hill hospital will be very similar to the hospitals in place now. It will be set up to handle smaller emergencies and more routine proceedures or patients already in arrest that cannot go north. If the emergency responders are doing there jobs the real patients where the difference between 300 seconds and 1200 seconds is life or death, such as burns, major trauma, or critical peds will never see the doors of the Spring Hill hospital. The will go to the Level 1 trauma center, The burn unit or the Pediatric Hospital at Vandy. They will either go directly by ground or in many cases by Life FLight helicoptor. You said truth that is truth.
be safe all
ole fire fighter
The "need" for a hospital has already been debated. The question is about the appeal process, use of taxpayer money, dedication of the grassroots movement, cost of the appeal process, reduction of services by Williamson and Maury, reason for the appeal (ie to delay the hospital, not to stop it), etc.
Thank you for weighing in ol fire fighter...keep it up.
speaking of lies...Where are the TWO ambulances...There is only ONE !!!!!!!!!
open your eyes. there are now two!!
The truth is that Rural Metro cannot find the quality people that existed in the two counties already. This money making company cannot pay the quality people enough. Also financial background checks on potential new hires are failing to meet standards. hmmmm. Why are these experienced paramedics and EMTs not banging down the door to work in Spring Hill? Someone ought to go by and ask hwo many years of experience exist with the current staff saving your lives with this company. You could ask the current crews immediate supervisor but it would take a long distance call to east tennessee. Williamson and Maury counties are STILL running calls in Spring Hill. I am sure the one ambulance that is there though is giving Maury and Williamson a break from the frivioulous drunks and suicidal threats that plague them after dark.
if there is two on duty 24 hours then it started in the last two days.....
when i say two i mean two staffed...not one staffed and one sitting in a station....
Attention
After all of the hell that I get making ambulance comments, I would just like to point out that I had nothing to do with the last 5 comments.
be safe all
ole fire fighter
Anon @ 22:24
Actually there are 3 Rural Metro ambulances in the city at this time. 2 of those are staffed 24 hrs a day, every day...and one is parked and used as backup.
Also, the ambulance debate has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the hospital debate....in case you were wondering.
Somebody is a little touchy today. Let's not go there again. The last fights were inappropriate and unproductive. Those who support it should rest assured that the appeal will turn out in their favor. Those who oppose it should rest assured the appeal will reveal any inappropriateness or inaccuracies. Relative to taxpayer money being spent on this, let us all be reasonable and know that each hospital has reserve funds to pay for this. No one's taxes are increasing this year or at all. Yes, services may be limited by this; however, the choice has been made and we all know no one in their right mind is going to pull out in this phase of the proceedings.
read wmc's statement again. are you really going to defend what Laura Bustetter said?
Ole Fire Fighter,
While I appreciate your opinion, we are discussing a topic that I also have a fair level of experience in here. During my 12 ½ years working within the law enforcement community, I have responded to many illness/injury calls, watched more helicopters land than I can count and even assisted in administering first aid. I am well aware of the fact that many life threatening injuries/illnesses require treatment in a Level 1 Trauma Center, and I am also aware that the proposed Spring Hill Hospital will not be a Trauma Center, but then again neither is Williamson Medical Center or Maury Regional, so these types of scenarios are irrelevant to this debate. The scenarios that I am referring to include things such as heart attacks, strokes, persons not breathing, etc. In your post you state that “patients already in arrest that cannot go north” would be treated at the Spring Hill Hospital. These are the scenarios that I refer to, and the cases where 300 seconds and 1,200 seconds would make a difference, as if they cannot go north, then it must be life threatening. If either hospital is willing to staff a full-time helicopter on the site of the proposed Spring Hill Hospital to transport patients from our area to their facility, then I might reconsider my position and comments on this matter. You also state that “the correct destination also counts.” I could not agree with you more. In the 8 ½ square mile city that I worked for in South Florida, we had three hospitals within 5 miles or less of our city limits, and protocol required transport to the closest facility. Also, as a side note to this, none of the three were considered trauma hospitals, and in trauma cases we still transported via helicopter or ground with police escort. I simply feel that the residents of Spring Hill and visitors to our great city deserve to have quality medical care in close proximity, and that this is needed now before our city grows further, rather than “in the future” as you see this need being. I believe in being proactive, rather than reactive, and I applaud our BOMA for seeing the need for this hospital now and working towards it before the need grows even greater than it already is.
Ron DeFrancisco
Mr DeFrancisco
I agree that people need health care close. The in the future I was referring to was when they are done moving earth and putting up sticks and bricks.
As for some of you other comments. It is true that WMC and Maury are not Trauma centers. Those situations are very relevant. The decision to transport to a local hospital rather than vandy is critical. Correct destination means a hospital that can treat the injury or illness not just the nearest. That applies to WMC and Maury as well. Patients go north from WMC everyday now to get treatment just like they will from the Spring Hill hospital. With regards to basing a helicoptor at spring hill, while I respect your experience I would say you should find out more about how the system operates around here. The helicopters are regionaly based and operated by Vandy. As far as heart attcks and strokes go, the chest pain center is at Baptist and the stroke centers are Vandy and Skyline. I was simply commenting on what the hospital will and will not be.
be safe all
ole fire fighter
Quite a few chest pain centers in middle tennessee -
http://www.scpcp.org/accreditation/accreditedlist.html
If a hospital were to go up in Spring Hill, and a heart attack were diagnosed by an ambulance crew, treatment now is of the issue. The more time that is wasted is more muscle or heart tissue that is dying. Once it is dead it does not come back to life. There is a treatment option out there that a facility without interventional cardiology, the Spring Hill Hospital, can use. It is the use of IV medications that "thin the blood". The problem with this is the adverse side effects. The side effects of let's say TPA, can be lethal even though at the time there are benefits. The exclusion criteria for this drug is a list that is extremely long.So even if you go there you may not be able to receive the medicine. This adds more time to your dying heart.It is a shame that there are two facilities just a FEW minutes farther that could ultimately save time. And if you were needed to be transferred to a facility to be treated this is not instantaneus. There has to be a doctor and a facility to accept you (keep in mind that this is not an ER MD accepting you but a cardiologist).Transport then has to be arranged, the crew, either ambulance or helicopter has to be called and literally com to the er, come in and get report, sign paperwork, put you in the ambulance or helicopter, take you to the destination, go into another ER, meet a specialist, RE DRAW certrain labs and repeat certain tests. then you can get your intervention done after you get transported to the cath lab. WMC can insert a cath in your femoral artery and cardiologists can insert a stent (kinda like a spring in a radiator hose) to open a blood clot in the heart.WMC EMS crews can send a 12 lead ekg wirelessly to the ER there and have a doctor interpret it while they are still at your home and have the cath lab called and prepared to receive you. The WMC EMS crew could then take you straight to the cath lab for treatment.(FYI Rural Metro HAS TO STOP IN AN ER !!!!) MRH can go as far as open heart surgery if the stent placement is not possible. Now all three can treat your heart attack, but the safest is interventional cardiology that will NOT be offered at the new facility. Now the ambulance crews who are new and not from this area will need to decide where they go in a heart attack situation. Do any of you see the delima? The EMS crews in place now are accustomed to the area and will know what facility is appropriate. I am not sure if that is the case with someone who does not know the capabilities. But hey, if you or your loved one are having a heart attack after this new facility goes into effect, are you educated enough to make the decision about where to go to seek treatment or are you going to leave it up to an outsider? The EMS system needs to go back to where it was. Ever heard the old saying you cant get something for nothing????
Anonymous @ 14:45,
I will say it again - has WMC always had these capabilities? Am I the ONLY one who remembers when WMC was a tiny little facility?
It seems the population growth in the area made room for WMC to start and grow - but now there is no more room for a new facility with this new growth boom?
And what is with the assumptions that no other ambulance service can have quality staff or equipment? It seems that some of you think MRH and WMC have the only competent ambulance staff and service in the entire country...
DRM
I will say that I know of a part timer that I know is very competent at R?M.
I will also say that a critical patient transported to a hospital that cannot treat them, non emergency without even text book basic treatment done. Bad enough that the charge nurse askes them why did they come here? Then the patient having to be transported by WMC emergency to Nashville. My wife having to go to my neighbors house and basicly show the ems crew how to move a patient to the cot because they could not get their equipment to work does not build confidence. That could just be because I know how things should work.
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