You know, it is really disappointing to see what this process has turned into by the folks at Williamson Medical and Maury Regional. Lets float around the perimeter of middle Tennessee and BULLY towns that are unaffected by this CON process into passing resolutions against Spring Hill. Look for this charade to appear again this evening.
Take for instance Fairview. Tonight the Fairview city council will be voting on the same resolution that has been passed around to every other community in far corners of this region. From the beginning of this proposal process Fairview has pledged to remain neutral (as all cities should), but now the county has a carrot (or a stick) to help with the persuasion process by promising the city that the county will fund additional services. When did this process become about blackmail, intimidation and "strings" on various city projects?
At some point in the next couple of weeks it might be interesting to note all of the "promises" made by the various entities related to the opposition of Spring Hill. If there is really no "NEED" for a hospital in Spring Hill, why are MRH and WMC paying soooo much to oppose this when the HSDA will surely vote it down as utter nonsense?
How many hundreds of thousands of dollars are currently being spent in just advertising and lobbying against this certificate of need? Without even getting into the cash spent by the county on "carrots and sticks" for communities that pass resolutions, I would guess that when this is all said and done, WE will have spent about a quarter of a million dollars (and remember that these are non-profit hospitals, so this is OUR tax money).
Let's start running a tab that will be updated periodically:
Full page color advertisements in every paper in Middle Tennessee for the past several months---(the tab is well over $65,000 and climbing FAST?)
Williamson Herald
Thursday-$930
Sunday-$930
(multiplied by approx. 10 weeks so far = $18,600)
Williamson AM
Spring Hill Journal (Wed)-$900
Sunday-$1100
(multiplied by approx. 10 weeks so far = $20,000)
Columbia Daily Herald
Weekday-$840
Sunday-$890
(multiplied by approx. 10 weeks so far = 17,300)
The Advertiser of Spring Hill
approx $950
(multiplied by approx. 10 weeks so far = $9,500)
Jerry Sharber's lobbying retainer---(reportedly around $100,000)
Some of you have stated that "We" in Spring Hill would like all of the communities to support our certificate of need process and complain when some elected body votes not to support it. People that have this understanding are missing the point.
We in Spring Hill do not really care if you support WMC or MRH. Write all the resolutions that you like supporting these hospitals if you want, but keep the language out that specifically deals in making a determination that Spring Hill does not need a hospital. That responsibility falls to one board, and one board only---the HSDA. They will decide if there is a NEED in Spring Hill on July 26th.
Why are we spending so many of our tax dollars in opposition of something that is supposed to be ruled on by an unbiased body on July 26th?
Thursday, July 06, 2006
Follow the $$$
Posted by Gorilla in the Corner at 8:29 AM
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Scott,
I am in the business of knowing markets and understanding growth. Without listing off a resume of experience I also have a pretty good understanding of healthcare.
Thankfully (for us both) there is a board that makes this decision and can hopefully cut through all of the BS that has been flowing lately. I might also add that the ambulance service has absolutely NO bearing on the CON in July (is is just an added benefit that happens to also be discussed at the moment).
I absolutely do appreciate your knowledge in the area, and your ability (whether you know it or not) to influence the bargaining position of the city to negotiate a truly excellent plan for Spring Hill. You, and others like you (ole fireman) have provided a great deal of factual information and it was very much needed. The more I hear, the more I am very encouraged at OUR (you, me, and the city's) current position. So again, thank you for becomming part of the process!
As far as the actual CON is concerned. It is comical to think that this hospital in Spring Hill would have a significant negative impact on the surrounding hospitals. I cannot say it loud enough, NO ONE HAS PLANNED FOR THE FUTURE GROWTH IN SPRING HILL TO BE WHAT IT HAS BEEN AND IS GOING TO BE!!! I do not care if you look at WMC's info, MRH's info, or another source, but please go do some fact finding somewhere. WMC's latest addition was approved with the understanding that Spring Hill would grow to a whopping 9000+ people by 2010.
Williamson Medical will continue to grow by leaps and bounds as will the proposed Spring Hill Hospital. Pick any marketing analysis you want and you will find this to be true. Give Mr. Miller at WMC some truth serum and he will tell you the same thing.
You might dislike HCA TriStar, but regardless of the provider, a hospital is absolutely NEEDED in Spring Hill.
...and TriStar has not been the only one looking (check your sources on that one).
Every public company sends out quarterly prospectus to their shareholders---if I am not mistaken, you said you receive this packet every 3 months, meaning either you are a shareholder or have interest in HCA's value.
"Drop the EMS idea and a lot of this reaction to what Spring Hill is doing will disappear."
A couple of things about this particular comment:
1. Bologna. The opposition started long before the EMS idea was floated.
2. The EMS component of this only came about due to TriStar coming into the picture. I have heard a lot of talk about Williamson county making a proposal a few months ago and that is also a bunch of junk. I can post that blank piece of paper again if need be. The offer was flimsy to say the least and didn't even offer a guarantee of keeping the EMS at Thompson's Station in place.
3. Williamson EMS is a fantastic department and was asked to participate in this discussion even as of a few weeks ago and declined. A chance to provide 2 more FULLY equipped crews at no cost to the county and the county doesn't want to entertain the thought. Is there a way to explain that away?
Your stance that "if a new facility in this area comes in and is FOR PROFIT, the healthcare industry will be effected."
You are darn right it will be effected, and for the better in my opinion. I have read the reports, and heard Mr. Miller month after month talk about WMC being at capacity during Williamson County Commission meetings. I have also seen the numbers from the CON for the most recent addition to Williamson Medical. The county is growing FASTER that anyone anticipated even a couple of years ago and is only speeding up (due to reports coming out of EVERY city in the county). It is entirely possible (if not probable) that Williamson Medical will open and reach capacity not long after the doors open on the new phase.
The trick here is not that TriStar will hinder Williamson Medical's chances to grow and prosper. The trick is that TriStar will be getting involved in a market that both WMC and MRH have been persuing and quietly keeping very close tabs on for years. Talk about for profit v. not for profit all you want, these are all big institutions that we are talking about, and currently the not for profit have quite a monopoly growing. This opposition coming against this CON is nothing more than protecting turf.
For just a moment, let's pretend that TriStar is not looking to bring a new hospital to Spring Hill. How do you think this whole healthcare situation will play out over the next 5-10 years in the area? How does the county plan to keep up with the population growth, because we all know that what is currently approved for WMC will not come close to keeping up!
To ANON
06 July, 2006 14:51
I do not have an interest in their value I can promise you that. But you do well in reading between the lines. Give that boy a button. This ought to tell you something. A stock holder (that has shares given as an employee perk 10+ years ago) does not want them here. Go figure. It is because the area can ill afford the impact on healthcare to the area.
Oh by the way gorilla....
A face to face meeting should soon be in order......
Scott
This boils down to what it always boils down to with Spring Hill, or at least the newbies to Spring Hill, pride and selfishness. These guys do not care about the small communties such as those mentioned in Chandler Anderson's Letter to the Editor. They think they are better than everyone else. Their needs are the most important. Maury will feel a devastating financial effect from this, and these guys do not care. These folks would like to think that Maury will be just fine, they will not. You will be depriving many people with chronic illnesses in outlying areas of quality heathcare if you let a for profit in Spring Hill. A non profit would not be able to just serve the paying. Read Anderson's letter about the Medical Screening Exam. In the words of Anderson, Google It!
Are you kidding me? Gorilla did you, a fellow who supports the TriStar FOR PROFIT hospital, actually entitle this article follow the $$$. If that isn't the pot calling the kettle black.
Anon @ 17:11
Think what you want about the people of Spring Hill, but I promise you that we care about others far more than you think. If you have something to add to the conversation please feel free, but please no more name calling. I am frankly sick of it on all sides. Most of the people involved in this discussion are good solid people. We just happen to disagree on this particular issue.
In your case---the sky is not falling. The sun will rise tomorrow. Spring Hill will not be able to swallow up all of the medical business in 2 counties I assure you!
As far as Anon @ 20:29
The last time I checked TriStar was not spending TAXPAYER money to oppose anything. I assure you that Williamson and Maury could make much better use of OUR cash being spent on this particular campaign.
A select few making efforts to protect their own interest at the expense of many other citizens.
By the way, if you get out in the community and quit being self serving you will find out many, many, many citizens do support this hospital and rightfully so.
The fact that WMC, MRH, & Vanderbilt have all quietly understood the need for a hospital in Spring Hill speaks for itself.
They procrastinated entirely to long and now are upset that they were caught off guard by a progressive for profit entity and a BOMA which is very aware of the lack of interest shown our community over the past years.
Okay, so a hospital is built in Spring Hill. It will be just like evry other hospital built all around us in communities the same size. It will be the hospital you only go to before going to a big hospital. It will be the hospital used by folks with no way to get to Nashville, etc... What do they say in Dickson about the hospital? The same thing people used to say about Wm Medical center. It's fine for small things but keep driving if you think it is a serious matter.
To Selfish Spring Hill-
Cut the garbage and spewing. You don't like us "newbies". Okay, we heard it. Now go play somewhere else.
To everyone else who might have a legit point to make: With the 2005 census putting SH at almost 20,000, and the proections for 2020 being at 40,000 (I think) will there not be enough people here in SH, Franklin, and Columbia (with their corresponding growth too) and the surrounding areas that there will be more than enough patients to go around? I know that MRH and WMC are concerned that the new hospital will take patients away in the short term, but have they really factored in long term costs? It just seems to me that even by the time this hospital is built (2008 maybe, assuming it is approved) there will already be more people in SH then the concerned parties are basing their figures on. Comments please. Thanks.
I seriously wonder why MRH thinks they are going to lose patients over this hospital. I honestly don't know anyone who drives to MRH for anything. For the 4 emergencies my family has had in the past 4 years we drove to WMC. MRH wasn't even a consideration. I have a friend whose in-laws live in Columbia who only leave town for medical care. They say that if you go to MRH you will probably die. They drive up to Nashville. I'm not making this up. In my mind and many others, Maury Regional is not even part of the equation. WMC needs to put up or shut up. Either offer us a hospital or get out of the way.
I agree Timbo. I just received a flyer promoting this hospital in the mail. My question is who is footing the bill for all of these signs and flyers? Is it the taxpayer? I will be glad when this whole mess is over. Scottemtp, I truly do think that, whether they want to admit it or not, the ambulance issue is directly tied to the hospital issue. I mean, weren't we supposed to have the ambulances by now? And I heard somewhere that they moved the closing date back on the property sale. That cannot just be coincidence can it?
Anon @ 20:19
FYI --- The flyers are provided by "the citizens for a Spring Hill hospital."
FYI --- The property is still scheduled to close on July 21st, the week prior to the CON hearing.
FYI --- Ambulance service takes time to negotiate and allow prospective providers to present and tweak, aka negotiate.
What is this citizens for a Spring Hill Hospital? Is this some group that put all their money together to do this? Signs and such are very expensive, and it is hard to believe that this is not subsidized. By the way, I work for HCA and I know that the closing has been postponed. I hope they get it, I could work closer to home.
It's the 5000+ citizens that have and continue to sign the petitions in support of the Spring Hill Hospital. The closing was moved to July 21st a week before the CON hearing due to an archaeological study requested by HCA.
According to the springhilltn.org website that I keep seeing on these signs, the population of Spring Hill is 19,831 as of may 31, 2005. However Mr. Dave Huebner has been noted to state over and over in the media that this hospital has the overwhelming support of the MAJORITY of the citizens of Spring Hill. However only 5000 or so people have signed this petition in support of Spring Hill. Now I am no math major, but it seems to me that that is only 25% of the population, which would be considered the MINORITY.
I'm about sick and tired of the 'Cherry Picking' (aka Jerry Irwin's 'Lick the Cream of the Milk') argument.
Letter to the Editor from our Maury County Friend who keeps telling everybody that he is a Spring Hill Resident
The premise is this...
...by cherry picking the patients will [sic] adequate coverage, HCA will leave MRH to provide care to the large number of under/uninsured patients in its service area with little ability to offset these costs.
Sounds plausible enough. Heck, it's the basis for Coalition4Care and MRH's whole argument against a CON for Spring Hill Hospital.
Here's the problem...
Research doesn't support this claim.
Does The Sale Of Nonprofit Hospitals Threaten Health Care For The Poor?
(careful, pdf download)
The premise of the study was to compare uncompensated care when a hospital is Nonprofit, compared to the same exact hospital aquired by a private company over a period of time. Because the community variables are constant, the nonprofit vs for profit variable is isolated.
If the 'Cherry Picking' argument were true, there should be more uncompensated care when the hospital operated as a nonprofit rather than a for profit facility.
"We found no evidence that acquired hospitals provide on average less uncompensated care than they did before the acquisition. The results are consistent with prior research that indicates that investor-owned hospitals provide no less uncompensated care than do nonprofits, given their locational
choices, which typically are in relatively affluent communities. Our study goes further by examining changes in ownership while holding community constant and finds that when investor-owned corporations acquire nonprofit hospitals, they maintain the level of uncompensated care that existed before the acquisition."
Oh, and what about the 'It's going to cost more' argument?
Well, research just doesn't support that either...
Hospital Ownership and Cost and Quality of Care: Is There a Dime's Worth of Difference?
"Between private sector hospital types (for-profit and nonprofit) there is indeed not a dime's worth of difference between the two in terms of cost to Medicare and patient outcome."
Anonymous @ 23:42:
So where does the 1,000 or so signatures from Columbia and Lewisburg that Voices4Care has collected fall into your equation?
Spring Hill had about 1,400 voters last election. 5,000 signatures sounds like 4x the amount of voters we had last year.
I'm impressed.
And we all know that research articles can never be skewed or manipulated, right? By the way, can you explain to me why you do not feel like Chandler Anderson lives in Spring Hill? I received a certified letter from him just the other day containing some very interesting material regarding this proposed hospital, and guess what? It read Spring Hill, TN, 37174. Now just because he disagrees with you, doesn't mean you can excommunicate him.
Silverback,
Much to my better judgement, as this will surely do nothing but give you an opportunity to lash out in an attack, I am going to respond to your continued jabs. Silverback, I may not live in City Hall, but my address is a Spring Hill address. I did not change it since I moved in. When people mail me, they use the zip 37174, which is preceded by the words Spring Hill. Now I am not going to answer your comment regarding cherry picking patients, because everytime I have tried to debate or explain an issue to you in the past, you have attacked me and tried to dismiss my point without giving it any consideration. However please stop with the nonsense about me making up my address. Furthermore, if I did not live in Spring Hill, it would not matter, because this is not just a Spring Hill issue. Spring Hill does not exist in a vaccum. It is part of a complex community of insured, underinsured, and uninsured patients.
Now if you would like to further express your comments and slams towards me you can email me, but until then drop the slams. I have quit posting here because of the attacks and threats that I received from folks who choose to hide behind names such as Silverback, etc. If you truly feel this strongly, attach your name to your post. I would love to mail you something so you could see firsthand what my address is. Just because I do not live in the congested part of town, doesn't mean you can just claim that I make up my address.
One last thing, I know that I have given old Michael a tough time on my site, but it is all in fun. I had a chat with Peter Jenkins the other day and he brought up a good point. Even though we may be on different sides of this issue, at least we are sticking our necks out there and saying "this is what we think." Michael, you should be applauded for your efforts. This site has directly changed some of the decisions made about this EMS service. I just wish others would not hide behind these fake names. There is a certain importance in knowing who you are talking to. I think Scott proved that when he chose his screen name.
Michael, like I said, even though I rib you on my site, your a good guy, and thanks for all you have done to keep people thinking about this issue.
Scott, you are and always have been a great friend. May we continue to work together for many years. CAnderson
www.theothersideoftheissue.com
Michael,
I couldn't help but bring this to your attention. The article cited by Silverback regarding differences in care was from a site called the National Bureau of Economic Research. The interesting thing about this site is that its owner is Martin Feldstein. Now stick with me here, I did what I rag you about, I googled him. Here is what I found:
(I think the fact that he is on the Board of Directors of HCA might have had a little influence into the outcome of this study.)
Martin Feldstein is the George F. Baker Professor of Economics at Harvard University and President and CEO of the National Bureau of Economic Research. From 1982 through 1984, Martin Feldstein was Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers and President Reagan's chief economic adviser. He served as President of the American Economic Association in 2004.
Dr. Feldstein is a director of three corporations (American International Group; HCA; and Eli Lilly) and an economic adviser to several businesses in the United States and abroad. He is a regular contributor to the Wall Street Journal.
The National Bureau is a private, nonprofit research organization that has specialized for more than 80 years in producing nonpartisan studies of the American economy.
Dr. Feldstein is a member of the American Philosophical Society, a Corresponding Fellow of the British Academy, a Fellow of the Econometric Society and a Fellow of the National Association of Business Economists. He is also a member of the Trilateral Commission, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Group of 30, and the American Academy of Arts and Sciences. He has received honorary doctorates from several universities and is an Honorary Fellow of Nuffield College, Oxford. In 1977, he received the John Bates Clark Medal of the American Economic Association, a prize awarded every two years to the economist under the age of 40 who is judged to have made the greatest contribution to economic science. He is the author of more than 300 research articles in economics.
Martin Feldstein is a graduate of Harvard College and Oxford University. He was born in New York City in 1939. His wife, Kathleen, is also an economist. The Feldsteins have two grown daughters.
Thanks Michael, CAnderson
Silverback, check the source next time. CA
CA,
Maybe you didn't read the resume that you posted because it sounds pretty impressive to me. Everyone has to work for someone at some time and I don't think that it changes the information too much, unless of course you can site better information from someone who previously directed a non-profit.
Also, it is better to check the source of the study (the nuts and bolts behind the writing), not just the author or group.
As far as residency is concerned---I could care less where you live. If I remember correctly you were the one that started the whole residency argument with Danny Leverette. If you have a "Spring Hill" address and zip code, that just means that your mail comes from the Spring Hill post office. Again, I could care less where you live, but technically you do not live in Spring Hill. You are not able to vote in the Spring Hill election, if you were interested in voting Danny out.
CA,
Your email to Phil Bredesen sure sounded like you were 'a resident of Spring Hill'.
But, like Gorilla, I can care less. I just wanted to get your attention.
Michael and Silverback. I beg to differ with your statements regarding whether or not I can vote in Spring Hill matters. I have voted in Spring Hill and will continue to do so in the future, despite your comments. Secondly, Michael I have an understanding of research that is just as deep as yours, and I would say that the nuts and bolts of a project typically do come back to be reviewed by the person funding the study, unless it is done by a governmental body. Hence the disclosure requirement for most projects. Silverback, until you can care enough about the issue to attach you name, I could care less as to your opinion. Again, I just wanted to reply to the address issue. I will see you all at the hearing for the CON. CA
Hundreds maybe thousands of residents have a Thompson Station address but do live in the Spring Hill city limits. We vote in city elections, in Spring Hill. Many of us like being on this side of Spring Hill. Closer to Franklin which is why so many people don't ever go into "the real Spring Hill". Also, we can drive 20 minutes to WMC why drive 20 minutes to a small Spring Hill hospital? I suspect that for many years after they build a local hospital people will drive through our side to get to WMC or Nashville.
One last thing Michael,
I truly believe that the only way this CON will be approved is if someone has been monetarily influenced to approve it. However I do believe that most of the people on this panel are upright citizens. However, my conspiracy theory is somewhat solidified when an person quotes a private communication between myself and the governor. I guess it is time to raise more awareness that this process could be potentially tainted. CA
CA said,
However, my conspiracy theory is somewhat solidified when an [sic] person quotes a private communication between myself and the governor.
It's called PUBLIC RECORD. Surely you got the email from the Governor's office informing you that your email had been sent to the HSDA, didn't you?
My original comment regarding where you live was intentional to point out how stupid the 'Mayor lives in Thompson's Station' argument that you harped on for weeks (including on the local news) really sounded.
Personally, I'm glad that you live in our community contributing to this process and that we have this forum to DEBATE our ideas. I don't know where the idea came from that I don't appreciate dissenting opinions. You said it yourself, it's because of the comments on this site by Spring Hill citizens who are EMTs that the EMS deal will ultimately be the best deal that our community can ever get.
Regarding the article on the NBER site, the publisher is actually the Journal of Health Economics. In addition to the NBER site, the Abstract can also be found at the NCBI, the RePEc, the SSRN, Duke University, et. al.
See you at the Cardiac Clinic with Dr. Maloof.
Chandler, did you really mean to say this -
"I truly believe that the only way this CON will be approved is if someone has been monetarily influenced to approve it... However, my conspiracy theory is somewhat solidified when an person quotes a private communication between myself and the governor. I guess it is time to raise more awareness that this process could be potentially tainted."
Give me a break. I know that you are on the side of Williamson Medical, but I can see very easily the ways that both sides will win this thing, and it has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with being paid off. Just about the time I think that you might be using a little bit of common sense you go off and spout something as idiotic as that.
FYI, I have a copy of just about every letter submitted to the HSDA so far and yours is one of them. It is all public information---none of this stuff is a secret.
Geez! For a guy that I think is pretty intelligent despite our disagreements, you are really falling off the deep end fast. We still have a few more weeks to go on this thing, and if you are already to this point, I will hate to see how much lower you are going to stoop.
Mr President. . . Jack Bauer here. They've infiltrated Spring Hill. Call CTU!
Gorilla,
Do you not think that there are things that go on behind the scenes that you or I do not know about? Maybe I am losing it, but if everything is a level playing field I do not anticipate this will get approved. You believe that it will. That is what is great about the debate. However I also know that there are a lot of things going on behind the scenes that certainly have the potential to influence this decision. The Frists are very powerful people. HCA stands to make a HUGE amount of money from providing service to a well insured town like Spring Hill. They have also invested a great deal of money into this project already. Historically this board is not very pro for profit hospitals. Look at the Smart hospital and look at how HCA was denied its CON for CABG at Summit and Skyline. It made all the sense in the world to allow Summit and Skyline to provide open heart, as people would not have to drive all the way into downtown Nashville. However it was denied.
My point is this. HCA doesn't have the best win streak with this board, yet they seem very very confident that this will be approved. I am just leary of all of this confidence. Maybe it is just due to being the opposition.
Silverback, it will be great to see you at the cardiology talk with Maloof. Maybe then we can talk face to face and I can see if you believe all of your own rhetoric. CA
Gorilla,
You may want to be careful when allowing someone to post statements such as the one about heart attacks and diversion. I would hate for all of your good work to be ruined by this type of untruth. This is clearly libel against a business, as it is an untruth designed to defame WMC. Just be aware that even though these comments may seem harmless to you, they have a major impact on businesses.
Anonymous,
My post regarding diversion is a fact, as told in person straight from the mouth of an employee of the WMC ER. There is no reason to doubt this source. Why would an employee of WMC lie about it if this were not in fact the truth? The fact of the matter is, you can't handle the truth. You've been drinking the Franklin Kool-Aid too long.
Quit trying to suppress the truth by insinuating that Gorilla is allowing his blog to be used to spread false propaganda. The only untruths I've encountered are those laughable Coalition4Care advertisements in the Williamson AM trying to scare everyone and WMC's Spring Hill future population projections. The advertisements remind me of the DNC's tawdry attempts to scare all of the elderly whenever the Republicans discuss solutions to reform social security and medicare. It's just cheap political fearmongoring.
Speaking of population projections, you can't have it both ways. If WMC's expansion (and economic viability) was based on their Spring Hill 2010 population estimates of 10,000, and it is a fact that our current population is conservatively estimated at 23,000 (4 years early and more than double what was predicted), then one must deduce that WMC will not be materially effected economically. Let's see, a new 56 bed hospital - 13,000 more residents than accounted for moving rapidly to 30,000 by the time the new hospital will be open. Do you think we might need the beds?
So which is it? Either WMC has based their expansion and capacity on bad population numbers (10,000) and will not materially or economically be affected by a new hospital servicing the surplus unaccounted for population of 20,000 additional Spring Hill citizens; or is not equiped or have the capacity to service 30,000 Spring Hill residents based on its latest CON, thus the need for a new hospital is pretty evident. Again, you can't have it both ways. If WMC's current capacity is based on a population of 10,000, then it is not adequate and a new hospital is needed. If there are 3 times the number of Spring Hill residents than WMC accounted for,can't one reasonably assume the reputation for quality of care WMC has established will enable it to attract at least 1 out of every 3 Spring Hill citizens as patients? If they can't, then they need some competition to up their game anyway.
Let's stick to the facts. Enough of the fearmongoring.
If they hate working at Williamson so much that they think they should spread rumors and lies, why don't they find another job? Nowhere else will baby them like Williamson does. Other people, including HCA, would tell them to get off the phone with their buddy and go to do some work. The truth is that I know exactly who you are talking about and the word prima donna have never described a person better. You do have to question why a person would continue to work somewhere while bad mouthing it. I work at Centennial, and again I would not mind this hospital coming, but I also think it is dirty to make up malicious statements. Every hospital has dirty laundry, at least use some of it, rather than making something up. I have also worked at Williamson and I know that they only go on diversion when they have to. Furthermore, being on diversion does not stop people from walking in your front door or ambulances from still showing up.
Nothing malicious about the truth. I spoke with a nurse one day at Krogers, about this very isssue, and she told me for a fact, that Williamson goes on diversion quit often.
I am sure if someone can get the public record, they could find out how often!
Conversations in a grocery store are always the most reliable. I heard in the grovery store that a lot of people are getting a lot of money because of this hospital. Does that make it true?
Danny.Leverette@HCAHealthcare.com
I guess a hospital going on diversion is now an issue. Yes Williamson goes on diversion but so do all other hospitals at different times. Vanderbuilt was on trauma several days ago, that is not a slander against vandy just a fact of life. It will happen to Spring hill's hospital IF we get it. I know ems crews that take butt chewings for taking patients into hospitals on diversion because that is were the patient needs to go(please don't call them ambulances drivers)
If you are concerned with an MI patient going to a hospital on diversion, here is some real truth. The public is in many ways at fault for this problem. Too many people use the Er as a walk in clinic. It is almost every shift that the fire dept goes out on an ems run at 2 or 3 in the morning for a "sick " call. When you ask the patient how long they have been feeling sick they will tell you 2 days. Sorry folks but lets be real get in the car and go to the walk in clininc or the family doctor. When i was growing up a broken finger or toe meant that you limbed to the car and went to the doctor's office for an x-ray, you did not get an als unit and a fire engine. That is part of the reason that the ER beds and ems units are not there when seriously sick patients need them.
be safe all
ole fire fighter
Hospital fight costs surpass $100,000
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